Blog Response #2 - Of Mice and Men Chpts 3 & 4
Review your JOTS for chapters 3 & 4. Then, complete the following:
- Think about everything that happens in chapters 3 & 4.
- Choose ONE scene where characters have differing perspectives.
- Explain the scene (including the page number(s) that it takes place within).
- What characters are involved?
- What is going on?
- Explain the difference(s) in perspective - Include textual evidence as support!
- How does each character see the situation?
- What are the possible causes for the difference(s)
Possible Sentence Frames for Blog #2
- A scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when __(character A)____ and ___(character B)_____ are ___________.
- __(Character A)____’s perspective is _______________. This is shown on pg. ____ when ______ says, “ _________.” (Or the author writes….)
- ___(Character B)_____’s perspective is ___________. This is shown on pg. ____ when ______ says, “ _________.” (Or the author writes….)
- These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because ______.
REPLIES - DAY 2: Read through the posted blog comments. Reply to TWO: one you agree with and one that you disagree with and/or can followup with a clarifying question. Clearly explain why you agree or disagree with the author of the blog comment AND/OR explain your question in detail.
A Scene that has different character perspectives can be found in chapter 4 when Crooks And Lennie are talking about Lennie's dream to have land and tend the rabbits. Crook’s perspective is that he has seen many people try to leave and buy their own land but all have failed and he can't possibly see them succeeding. This is shown on page 74 when he says “I seen hundreds of men come threw on the ranches and roads with the same damn things in their heads”. Lennie's perspective is that he thinks everything will be alright and he will soon be rich and have rabbits to tend this is shown on page 73 when he says “Gorge says we can have Alfalfa for the rabbits”.
ReplyDeleteThe difference in Crooks’ and Lennie’s perspectives are rather interesting, don’t you agree? I think it’s good to see how two characters’ drastically different viewpoints on the world is. Lennie’s child-like innocence and optimism, believing that everything will be alright, like you said, is something I think a lot of people could benefit from having themselves. Why do you think Crooks and Lennie think so differently at this point in the story? Would you think that Crooks’ thoughts on Lennie’s plans change later?
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3 when Curley and Lennie are in each others face. Curley’s perspective is that Lennie is laughing at him while he is arguing and Curley confronts Lennie and he looks at him confused. This is shown on pg 62-63 when Curley says “What the hell you laughin at? Lennie looked blankly at him huh” Lennie's perspective is that he is think about the dream ranch and how him and George are going to own it and how he is going to be happy so he started to laugh. This is shown on pg 62 when Lennie thought of the delight memory of the ranch George and him was going to own. These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Curley dislikes Lennie a lot, because of Curley’s wife was flirting with Lennie and she still does so that makes Curley made because he does not want his wife flirting with other guys.
ReplyDeleteI Agree With Lennie Laughing When It Is Not A Good Time, But I Am Not Sure About Curley's Wife Flirting With Other Men With Lennie Stopping Her
DeleteI Agree with Lennie laughing at a completely terrible time and the fact that Curley's wife flirting with other people, and I think that Curley should just tell his wife to stay in the house instead of chasing her around the farm all day.
DeleteI also agree that Lennie laughing was a terrible thing to do at that time and not even talking about the fact that Curley's wife was flirting with all the guy's and Lennie stopped her from going any further.
DeleteI completely agree with you that Lennie laughing was horrible timing and talking about how Curley's wife is just flirting with other men other than Curley
DeleteI agree that Curley doesn't like Lennie but I think that Curley mainly doesn't like Lennie because hes a big guy earlier in the story it says that Curley likes to pick fights with bigger guys because he's mad that he's not a bigger guy. So I think that Curley from the start wanted to fight Lennie but he just never had a reason too so when he had the opportunity he took advantage of it. Little did he know that he would soon regret it.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 3/4 when Crooks, Lennie, and Candy are all in Crooks room and Lennie is talking about the Rabbits and how they're going to have their own place ( they as in George, Lennie, and Candy ) and Crooks intervenes saying that they're nuts and that it's not going to work, that Crooks has seen men like them before and they all fail. Lennie and Candy's perspective is that they're going to someday have a nice land and a nice life together. Crooks thinks that they're never going to make it and that they're just going to blow away all of their money and that they'll be stuck being swampers til the day they die. (pages 74-75 ). The characters are seeing things differently because, Crooks is black and back then people with his skin color weren't treated right and he had seen many others like Lennie, George and Candy and they all failed. Lennie, George, and Candy see it as they can do it because they're just about halfway there and they're refusing to give up their hope.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this statement especially when Crooks tells Lennie "I seen hundreds of men come by on the road and ranches with their bindles on their back an' that same damn thing in their heads". Crooks is telling Lennie that he should stop believing that he will get this land because hes seen hundreds of other men like him who want a farm but can never succeed.
DeleteI completely agree with you Logan, on that Crooks only saw things this was because he was black and on that point I also disagree with that statement because he did not just think this way because he's always been mistreated he thinks this way because he's been around the same place for a while and had seen some people who would have the same mind set and truly believe that they can do this but in the end they get the money in there hand and it gets to there head and go and blow all the money on stupid things. So in Crooks mind there just going to be the same as all the others.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when Crooks and Lennie are getting things heated up. Crooks said to George on chapter 4 on page 71 (or on PDF page 35) “ “S’pose George don’t come back no more. S’pose he took a powder and just ain’t coming back. What’ll you do then?”. Lennie was so angry he was very close to Crooks popping his personal space bubble. Lennie said to Crooks “What you supposin’ for? Ain’t nobody goin’ to suppose no hurt to George”. That is from PDF Page 36 (or on book page 72). These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Lennie thought George was in real danger but Crooks was playing a joke to him. In conclusion, they were in 2 different mind worlds. Lennie was in danger world (meaning he thought George was in danger) and Crooks was in joking world (meaning he was joking around with Lennie and he took it seriously).
ReplyDeletei disagree because i don't think that Crook was playing a joke i think he was just trying to find out what Lennie would do with out George because he has mostly relied on George most of his life
DeleteI disagree also because I believe that Crooks was just trying to get under Lennie's skin and try to make Lennie think that George ain't coming back and just to get that idea into his head.
DeleteI somewhat agree that Crooks’ was playing a joke on Lennie. As we know Crooks’ is black and he lives in the barn away from the other workers, so he’s all alone and I think he was jealous of Lennie because Lennie has someone to depend on and is always with George. On page 73, Crooks’ says “he don’t know whether it’s right or not. He can’t turn to some guy an ast him if he sees it too.” Crooks’ was somewhat trying to make a joke on Lennie because of how he feels about being alone with himself.
DeleteI agree with you Elizabeth because it makes total sense on that Crooks was only a little bit joking because why else would he bring it up if he weren't jealous of Lennie because Lennie has a companion to share his time with and to keep him in check. I also think that crooks really did think that maybe George was getting sick of Lennie and did want to leave Lennie all alone.
DeleteAlthough it seems that Lennie was panicking because he thought that George was in trouble, I actually think that he was starting to get aggressive because he knows what type of person George is because he knows that he would not get himself into any sort of dangerous situation. An example of this is shown on page 71 when Crooks keeps making up uncomfortable situations about George to Lennie. Lennie insists and says, “George won’t do nothing like that,” then he repeats, “George is careful. He won’t get hurt. He ain’t never been hurt, ‘cause he’s careful.” This example helps us see that Lennie knows that Crook is wrong because he knows that George would not get into a problematic situation.
DeleteI disagree because I think that Crooks was just asking Lennie a question that would put Lennie in Crooks shoes because Lennie has never been alone before and Crooks was just wondering what Lennie would do if he was on his own like crooks has been most of his life. Even though Crooks took it a little to far.
DeleteI disagree when you said "Cooks was playing a joke to him" I don't think he was playing a joke. I truly just think that he wanted to know if Lennie would act the same if George wasn't there and if he could handle living without him just because they always been there for eachother.
DeleteIn my opinion I don’t think that Crooks was really joking with Lennie. I feel like crooks was really just trying to give Lennie insight on what it feels like to be lonely and he wanted Lennie to think about life alone. It’s almost as if Crooks envied Lennie for having George. This is shown on page 71 when Lennie says, “I been with George a long time. He’ll come back tonight----”. It continues on page 71 where it says, “ Crooks’ face lighted with pleasure in his torture. “Nobody can’t tell what a guy’ll do”. The fact that it says that his face lighted with pleasure in his torture makes me believe that he wanted Lennie to feel to feel scared or mad because he didn’t like being alone and he envied that Lennie wasn’t alone.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 4 when Lennie and Crooks met when Lennie walked up to crooks room.
ReplyDeleteLennie was interested in what Crooks was doing, and he wanted to meet Crooks and make friends with him. This is shown on page 68 in the book when Lennie was staring at Crooks in the doorway and Crooks gave Lennie a scowl, and all Lennie did was smile, the authur said “Lennie smilled helplessly in an attempt to make friends.”
When Lennie came to Crooks room all Crooks wanted was to have privacy seing as all the other white men did not really like him. This can be shown on page 68 in the book when Lennie mentioned that he seen his light Crooks replied with, “Well, I got a right to have a light. You go on get outta my room. I ain’t wanted in the bunkhouse, and you ain’t wanted in my room.”
These two characters are seing things diffarently at this point in the story because one of them wants to make friends and just was curios about a light (Lennie), and the other wants to be left alone because he feels everybody is just gonna be mean to him because lots of people have.
I agree with you at this part. Especially on page 69 when Lennie insists on seeing his new puppy, and Crook's replies with. "Well, go see your pup then. Don't come in a place where your not wanted." This really show's that Lennie wants to make friends, but Crook's perspective is that Lennie is annoying and that he wants to be left alone.
Deletei agree with you because Lennie wanted to see his puppy because he saw the light on in Crooks room, and Crook didn't want to see anyone because he has been rejected by everyone since he's black, so when Lennie was trying to be nice he didn't really know, and was mean.
DeleteI agree with you. Lennie has been pretty much neglected while hes worked here. And Crooks was one of his final attempts at making one. Lennie doesn't see Crooks as a black man, he sees him as a person.
DeleteI agree with you. Lennie And Crooks was one of his final attempts at making. Lennie doesn't with Crooks as a black man he sees him as a person.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspective can be found in chapter 3 when Lennie and Curley are fighting.
ReplyDeleteLennie’s perspective is that the whole encounter is humorous. This is shown on page 62 when Curley asks “What the hell are you laughin’ at?”
Curley’s perspective is that the encounter is a way to show dominance over Lennie and the rest of the workers. This is shown on page 62 when Curley shouts “Come on, ya big bastard. Get up on your feet. No big son-of-a-gun is gonna laugh at me. I’ll show you who’s yella.”
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because tension between the two had been high until this moment. Lennie thinks Curley is just playing around, but Curley is dead serious about fighting Lennie
I disagree with the statement, “Lennie thinks Curley is just playing around…” I disagree because Lennie was not even aware of the short scene between Curley and Slim. On page 62, the author writes, “Curley glared at him. His eyes slipped on past and lighted on Lennie; and Lennie was still smiling with delight at the memory of the ranch.” With details of Lennie smiling due to the previous conversation he had with Candy and George (“the ranch” aka the land that they are all planning on getting), it’s clear that Lennie was not paying attention to Curley. Yes, I agree with you that Curley is dead serious about fighting Lennie and that the characters’ perspectives are different, but I do not think Lennie’s perspective is that the whole encounter is humorous.
DeleteI disagree with this as well because Lennie did not have a clue what Curley would do because he was thinking of something else. Lennies looks may have unintentionally looked like he was laughing at Curley because of the idea he had in his head which caused Lennie to be in a fight with Curley.
DeleteAs we all know the scenes in chapters 3 through 4 were pretty intense. But one scene that caught me was the fight between Lennie and Curley. This was on page 62-63 in chapter 3 when Curley approaches Lennie, because Lennie was laughing. “Curley stepped over to Lennie like a terrier. ‘What the hell you laughin’ at?’ Lennie looked blankly at him. ‘Huh?’
ReplyDeleteThen Curley’s rage exploded. ‘Come on, ya big bastard. Get up on your feet. No big son-of-a-bitch is gonna laugh at me. I’ll show ya who’s yella.’ Lennie looked helplessly at George, and then he got up and tried to retreat. Curley was balanced and poised. He slashed at Lennie with his left, and then smashed down his nose with his right.”
This part caught me because Lennie and Curley’s perspectives are different. This is because When Curley was talking with everyone, Lennie thought they were all joking around and he started to laugh. But Curley, being the grumpy old troll that he is, he thought that Lennie was laughing at him and decided to react with violence. Mostly because when Curley says to Lennie “No big son-of-a-bitch is gonna laugh at me” shows that Curley thought Lennie was laughing at him.
I agree with the statement. Lennie has the mind of a child so he believes that the others were joking and playing around, but boy was he wrong. Lennie was right to attempt to protect him self so he didn't majorly harm Curley, but look where that ended up. If Curley would just understand that Lennie is slow and not to bright so he had no right to assault Lennie.
Deletei agree with you with that part because Lennie thought everyone what joking around while Curley the jerk he is thought he was laughing at him and throw a punch at him and thatit was crazy
Deletei agree, because of Curleys point of view he didn't realize that Lennie wasn't laughing at him and his rage took over
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 4 when Lennie and Crook are talking about what Lennie would do if George didn’t come back.
ReplyDeleteLennie’s perspective is him thinking Crook is telling him that George is never coming back or is hurt. This is shown on pg.70-73 when Crook “Well, s’pose, jus’ s’pose he don’t come back. What’ll you do then?” Lennie’s face wrinkled with apprehension. “I don’ know. Say, what you doin’ anyways?” he cried. “This ain’t true. George ain’t got hurt.”
Crook’s perspective is him just trying to ask Lennie what he would do if he didn’t have George anymore. This is shown on pg. 70-73 when Crook says, “Crooks bored in on him. “Want me ta tell ya what’ll happen? They’ll take ya to the booby hatch. They’ll tie ya up with a collar, like a dog.” Suddenly Lennie’s eyes centered and grew quiet, and mad. He stood up and walked dangerously toward Crooks. “Who hurt George?” he demanded.”
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because George and the guys went to town, and Crook was just asking Lennie what he would do if George left, and since Lennie is a bit slow he thought Crook was saying that George was gonna leave and/or hurt.
I agree with you. I also feel like Lennie and Crook's perspectives are different on page 73-74 when Lennie is explaining his plan to Crook's about him and George buying a farm with rabbits. " 'What rabbits?'
Delete'We're gonna have rabbits an' a berry patch.'
'Your nut's'
'We are too. You ast George.'
'Your nut's.' Crooks was scornful." This shows that Crooks thinks Lennie is crazy for such an idea as where Lennie see's it as a dream come true.
In a way I do agree with your thought Hannah, but I also disagree with it because Crooks isn't really just asking Lennie what he would do without George, he's attacking Lennie. This can be found on page 71 where the author states, "Crooks' face lighted with pleasure in his torture." This shows that Crooks wasn't just asking what Lennie would do without George. I also wonder if Crooks was trying to see what it would be like to be the superior one for once. Did it make him feel better about himself in any way?
DeleteThe scene i chose to show different character perspectives can be found in chapter 4 page 68 when Lennie is very eager to pet and take care f the puppys in the barn and accidentally stumbles on Crook’s room Crooks thinks that Lennie is snooping when really Lennie was trying to take care of his puppy and got distracted. Later Candy stumbles in the room and ends u talking about the land they want to buy with Crooks and Lennie but Crooks feels like they will be like the rest of the workers and never accomplish their dreams but thats based off of the other workers so he doesn't know that they are serious about moving. Candy and Lennie see it as they are going to move to the farm when they can but Crooks sees it as them just distracting themselves with fantasy’s example on page 75 when candy comes in the room and says “I got it figured out. We can make some money on them rabbits if we go about it right.” this leads to the reply of “you guys is just kiddin’ yourself. You’ll talk about it a hell of a lot, but you won't get no land”. Crooks doesn't realize that George, Lennie and Candy have lots of money saved up for the farm and that they already have the land and the price picked out.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the fact that Crooks thinks they're wrong. They are so confident in what they're doing that it clouds their vision and crooks see's right through and knows that no one else who had the same dream ever accomplished it. Also I think and important thing to note is that crooks didn't want them any where near his room but once they got talking about the farm then he got interested.
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ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 3 when Curley was looking for his wife and Lennie was laughing.
Curley’s perspective is that Lennie is laughing at him. This is shown on page 62 when the author says, “Then Curley’s rage exploded. ‘Come on big guy get up on your feet. No big son-of-a-bitch is gonna laugh at me. I’ll show ya who’s yella’.”
Lennie's perspective is still set on the memory of his future with the bunnies and puppies and he has no clue what’s going on the real world with Curley there. This is shown on page 62 when the author says, “Curley stepped over to Lennie like a terrier. ‘What the hell you laughin’ at?’ Lennie looked blankly at him. ‘Huh?’.”
These 2 characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Curley has no knowledge of Lennie’s personality or what he’s thinking and laughing about. This is likely because Curley wasn’t there to hear about their “future” and because Candy, George, and Lennie agreed to not tell people. The way Lennie see's is it he has no idea why this dude is coming after him.
I would have to agree with your statement that Curly feels like he is being laugh at and Lennie is just laughing at a statement before he heard Curly. The reason I agree with you because in the text on page 62 of the text and page 31 in the PDF when Curly says “ Lennie looked blankly at him. “Huh?” Then Curley’s rage exploded. “Come on, ya big bastard. Get up on your feet. No big son-of-a-bitch is gonna laugh at me. I’ll show ya who’s yella.” Because of this Curly “ He slashed at Lennie with his left, and then smashed down his nose with a right. Lennie gave a cry of terror. Blood welled from his nose. “ This makes me believe that he will take nothing from anyone and he is a very Self-centered and conscientiousness in the way he thinks and treats people below him.
DeleteThe scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 4 when Lennie enters Crooks bunk hopelessly. Lennie smiled and attempted to make friends but Crooks did not take it that way and snips at Lennie. Lennie sat there in shock and was so oblivious about what had just happened.
ReplyDeleteLennie’s perspective is very innocent. This all happened so fast that he has no time to catch up and realize what actually happened. He thinks that he had done nothing wrong and does not understand why Crooks is yelling at him. This is shown on page 68 when he says “I aint doing nothing. Just come to look at my puppy. And I seen your light.”
Crooks perspective is to react very fast and firm because he thinks some big man is intruding. The natural way to respond to that type of situation is to defend yourself in some way shape or form. This is shown on page 68 when Crooks sharply says “You got no right to come in my room. This here’s my room. Nobody got any right in here but me.”
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Crooks does not know Lennie and does not know what he is like. Immediately he sees a big man enter his bunk and is frightened but truly doesn’t know how innocent Lennie actually is.
I really like how you state that Lennie has no time to catch up on what’s actually going on. I also like how you tell us that Lennie’s reaction and perspective is very innocent almost like he doesn't understand which really helps set in Lennie's perspective and also helps us understand why Lennie reacts the way he does. I like how you add in Crooks feelings of being intruded and how his natural reaction is to defend himself even though Lennie isn't there to do harm which you do state in your response and I really like that.
DeleteI agree with you because on page 68 it says "Lennie smiled helplessly in an attempt to make friends". This shows Lennies perspective of how he just wants friends and he doesn't think he did anything wrong. Even though Lennie thinks this Crooks is the complete opposite. On page 68 Crook says "You got no right to come in my room. This here's my room. Nobody got any right in here but me" This shows how Crooks right away is negative and wants Lennie to leave. He sees it as someone is doing something they arent suppose to while Lennie is just trying to make some friends and play with his dog.
DeleteA scene that includes character perspectives can be found on chapter 4 when curley got into a fight with lennie. Curley’s perspective is shown on pg 62,when he saw lennie laughing and he felt as if lennie was laughing at him.When the author writes “Curley stepped over to Lennie like a terrier.What the hell you laughin’ at?”
ReplyDeleteLennie’s perspective, is he has no idea why curley wants to fight him. This evidence can be shown when he is daydreaming about the ranch on pg 62 the author writes”And Lennie was still smiling with delight at the memory of the ranch.
These characters are seeing things differently at this point of the story because curley assumes Lennie is laughing at him, yet Lennie is just daydreaming about the good things that might happen on the ranch. While curley has no idea what is going on in lennie's head and concludes Lennie is trying to be tuff. In addition Lennie has no idea why curley wants to fight him And is confused throughout the whole fight.
I agree with you, because throughout the entirety of the fight Lennie states that he doesn't want to fight, he just wants to be left alone and to not hurt Curly. This can be see in page 64 when Lennie says, "I didn't wanta,... I didn't wanta hurt him." I wonder if George had thought about what might have happened if Lennie had truly fought back. Would Lennie had killed Curly?
DeleteI think Lennie could’ve killed Curley if he had fought back more, as we know he crushed Curley’s hand pretty bad and with those other times, he always ends up killing the mice because he pets them too hard. But, at the same time Lennie probably couldn’t have killed Curley because Lennie knows it was wrong even hitting him back in the first place.
DeleteI dont really think Lennie could have killed Curley because that was not Lennies intent. Lennie did not want to hurt or harm Curley
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ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 4 when Lennie is talking to Crooks about his, George and Candy’s plan to save up enough money to buy their own house and land. Crooks’ perspective about this is kind of negative or doubtful. This attitude is shown on page 74 when Crooks says, “I seen hundreds of men come by on the road an’ on the ranches, with their bindles on their back an’ that same damn thing in their heads. Hundreds of them. They come, an’ they quit an’ go on; an’ every damn one of ‘em’s got a little piece of land in his head. ‘An never a God damn one of ‘em ever gets it.” I think Lennie’s perspective about having their own farm is happy and excited. This is shown throughout chapter 4 because he keeps repeating the same things about how he’s thinking about the rabbits, or how he’s going to be the one to take care of the rabbits. I think that these 2 characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Lennie is big and strong, and obviously able to take care of himself and earn enough money if he had the determination, while Crooks is obviously not able to do that because of his back and I think that it makes him a little resentful because he wishes he could do the same thing.
That's an interesting idea, Crooks getting a bit jealous over Lennie being able to do work and earn money more. Maybe Crooks is trying to set the negative tone and maybe try to make it seem less possible for their future, just so that it will make him feel a bit better?
DeleteI agree with your idea that Crooks is a little resentful because he wishes he could also save up to get land of his own. He laughs at Lennie for thinking that they are actually going to get a land of their own because everyone says that but never does it. His resentfulness might also have to do with the fact that Lennie has someone to make this dream come true and Crooks is all alone. For example on page 36 of the PDF he tells Lennie “A guy goes nuts if he ain’t got nobody. Don’t make no difference who the guy is, long’s he’s with you. I tell ya,”. He’s basically telling Lennie that he is going nuts and that he is tired of being alone. Seeing the friendship Lennie and George have makes Crooks wish he had something like that too.
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ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when Lennie and Crooks are in Crooks room with Curley’s wife.
Lennie’s perspective is that Curley’s wife is “fascinating” women and that she’s doing nothing wrong. This is shown on pg.77 when the author writes, “Lennie watched her, fascinated....”
Crooks’s perspective is that Curley’s wife is no good. This is shown on pg. 77 when the author writes, “After a pause Crooks said, “Maybe you better go along to your own house now. We don’t want no trouble.”.”
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Lennie sees Curley’s wife as a “Purty” women and Crooks sees her as a no good troublemaker.
A scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 4 when Crooks and Curley’s wife are in Crook’s room. Crooks perspective is that Curley’s wife is just always trying to start trouble. He thinks that she came into his room by him, Candy, and Lennie to get their attention and cause a problem. This is shown on page 77 when Crooks said “ Maybe you better go along to your own house now. We don’t want no trouble.” Curley’s wife's perspective is that she just wants to talk to the guys. She doesn't want any trouble, she just has nothing to do so she went to talk to the guys that were left behind. From her perspective she just wants to talk but all the guys in the bunk are causing the issues. This is shown on page 77 when Curley’s wife said “If I catch any one man, and he’s alone, I get along fine with him. But just let two of the guys get together an’ you won’t talk. Just nothing but mad.” These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Curley’s wife has never said why she’s always talking and being around the other guys. This causes them all to think she just wants trouble.
ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 4 when George gets mad at Candy for telling Crooks and Curley's wife about the dream farm. From Candys perspective, he wants to try and feel better about himself by saying everything about the dream farm. “I thought I tol’ you not to tell anybody about that” George said to Candy. George does not realise that Crooks has no interest in the dream farm whatsoever after telling Lennie about people with similar ideas. Crooks tells Lennie that most farmers with similar dreams often never come true but Lennie kept denying it. From George's perspective, he had known Candy had told them about the farm and assumed they were gonna try and buy it before they could.
ReplyDeleteOne of the scenes that caught my attention was when Lennie finally fought back against someone. Curley was attacking Lennie and Lennie was crying for help at George, and George kept saying over and over “Get ‘im Lennie”. Lennie was very reluctant but eventually he caught a swing fist and crushed it. Lennie is a very innocent person. Who I bet has never a situation such as this. He’s probably been threatened but he and George got out of town before they could carry through on these threats. It’s a good moment for Lennie because he finally stood up for himself. But thinking forward, Curley is probably pissed. And will attempt to eliminate Lennie permanently. So going forward in the story Curley is a character I will have my eye on. But from Lennie's point of view he did not want to hurt Curley but George wouldn’t help so Lennie did what he felt he had to.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the fact that Lennie is an innocent person. he has probably never been in that type of situation, he had no idea what to do he had to ask George for help. to prove that he is innocent you can look back in the book to a point where he was talking about rabbits, he cant get his mind off them.
DeleteI disagree Josiah. The other men could have tried to pry Curley off of Lennie so the conflict would be avoided. Curley is in the wrong here. He attacked Lennie unprovoked and he paid for it, at the cost of his hand and his dignity.
DeleteJared, I see what you are saying, but I never said Curley was in the right, I 100% agree that it could have been avoided if they pulled Curley away to end the conflict. All I said was that Curley was probably livid at the fact that his hand was broken, I never said Curley was in the right.
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ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspective can be found in chapter 3 when Carlson and Candy are talking about shooting Candy’s dog. Carlson’s perspective is that he wants Candy to shoot the dog because it’s old and it stinks up their living space. This can be shown on page 44, when Carlson says “Well, I can’t stand him in here. That stinks hangs around even after he’s gone. Got no teeth. He’s all stiff with rheumatism. He ain’t no good for you. Why’n’t you shoot him, Candy?”
Candy’s perspective on this is quite obvious, he doesn’t want his dog getting shot no matter how old he is because he’s had the dog ever since he was a pup and he herded sheep with it. This can be shown on page 44, the old man squirmed uncomfortably. “Well-hell! I had him so long. Had him since he was a pup. I herded sheep with him.” He said proudly.
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point of the story because Candy has kept the dog around so long because of that Carlson doesn’t like the stench of the dog and he’s old and can’t do anything, like he said the dog isn’t any good to Candy anymore. Carlson says that Slim’s dog had puppies and Slim offers to give one to Candy though Candy doesn’t say anything, he tries to convince them that the dog is still some good to him.
A scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 4 when Lennie and Crooks are talking about the rabbits on the farm in lennie’s dream.Lennie’s perspective is that he is really wishing for his and george’s dream will come true with the farm and the horses and all of the rabbits. This is shown on pg 69,when Lennie says, “gonna get a little place an’ live on the fatta the lan.” Crooks’s perspective is . This is shown on pg 69, when Crook’s says, “You’re nuts” said crooks “You’re crazy as a wedge. What rabbits are you talking about?” These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Lennie wants to his dream to come true so that he can live on the fatta the lan. But Crook’s thinks that he is going crazy and that it is not going to come true.
ReplyDeleteI like how you add in Crooks response to what Lennie is saying but I wouldn't say that Crooks thinks that Lennie is going crazy and I say this because Crooks says “I never seen a guy really do it, I seen guys nearly crazy with loneliness for land, but ever’ time a whore house or a blackjack game took what it takes.”. Crooks states that he's actually seen men nearly crazy for land and Lennie obviously with his personality isn't the type to be “crazy” for land. Yes Crooks calls Lennie “nuts” and “crazy” but I don't think that Crooks meant literally, I think that it would be more of doubting and not believing in them, almost like they had a dream that could never come true.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 3 when Lennie and Curley are fighting with each other. From Curley’s perspective Lennie was laughing at him. This is shown on page 62 when the author wrote “Curley stepped over to Lennie like a terrier. ‘What the hell you laughing at’... Curley’s rage then exploded…” Meanwhile Lennie had a totally different perspective and wasn’t even paying attention to Curley. We discover this on page 62 “His eyes slipped passed Lennie; Lennie was still smiling with delight at the memory of the ranch.” These two characters are viewing things differently at this point in the story because how the way their brains function. It seems as if Curley will pick a fight with anyone who makes him angry. Curley barely knows Lennie so he has no idea how Lennie’s brain works and why he acts the way he does. So in Curley’s perspective Lennie is laughing at him, so he picks a fight, but Lennie’s mind was on a different track. Lennie was entertained with his own thoughts and laughing at himself, which to him seems perfectly normal. They have different perspectives simply because their minds work differently from one another.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you're saying about the different perspectives of Lennie and Curley. Lennie was thinking about the rabbits and land and was happy. He was not fully paying attention of what was happening in the book. When Curley saw Lennie laughing he thought he was laughing at him because he doesn't know what is going on in Lennis's brain at that moment or at any time.
DeleteI agree with you because of the fact that Curley doesn’t really know Lennie, he misunderstands what Lennie does. Lennie was in his own little world, thinking about rabbits and laughing to himself. Curley sees him doing this, and quickly jumps to the conclusion that Lennie is laughing at him. On page 62 when the author writes “ His eyes slipped on past and lighted on Lennie; and Lennie was still smiling with the delight at the memory of the ranch.” This shows that Lennie was not paying attention to what Curley was talking about because humans cannot multitask. This can be shown personally by trying to read a book and in the meantime thinking about what you had for lunch two days ago. Based on this, there is no way that Lennie could be focused on two different conversations happening at the same time.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when Curley beats up Lennie. The two different perspectives are of Lennie and George when George tells Lennie to fight back. In the moment Lennie is perfectly fine with it and after taking a couple of hard hits from Curley he grabs his hand an completely shatters it. George says that Lennie didn’t do anything wrong but Lennie is extremely remorseful about it. “ ‘I didn’t wanta,’ Lennie cried. ‘I didn’t wanta hurt him.’... Slim turned to the whimpering Lennie. ‘It ain’t your fault,’ he said. ‘This punk sure had it comin’ to him.” This makes it clear that Lennie feels bad about it and from his perspective he did do something wrong. “George broke in, “Lennie was jus’ scairt,” he explained. “He didn’t know what to do” George and Slim both tell Lennie that what he did okay. From George's perspective Lennie did something right and taught Curley a needed lesson.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with the fact that you said in the moment Lennie was fine with being punched in the faced, i dont think he was fine with it i just think it found him by suprise and he did not know what to do. Lennie has probablly never been in a fight before.
DeleteI agree because Lennie is soft and doesn't want to hurt anybody but in George's mind he thinks Lennie has done well because he is a bit more manly then George. Lennie is more into Rabbits and nicer things in life, not violence.
DeleteI disagree with you because Lennie was okay when Curley punch him but Curley arm was hurting.He was surprised that he did that to a person.
DeleteI agree that Lennie didn't want to hurt anybody because he is really soft and don' t really wanna hurt anything. But I get why George thinks that Lennie is right for what he did to Curley because he did hit Lennie first and Lennie was just defending himself.
DeleteI agree that Lennie didn't want to hurt anybody because he is really nice person.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 4 when Lennie and Crooks meet for the first time. Lennie’s perspective is he has met someone that could be a new friend. This is shown on page 34 on the PDF when the author writes, “Lennie smiled helplessly in an attempt to make friends.” Crooks’ perspective may seem like he has himself an “unwanted visitor”, but in reality, he’s lonely and wants someone to talk to. This is shown on page 36 on the PDF when Crooks says, “A guy needs somebody—to be near him.” He whined, “A guy goes nuts if he ain’t got nobody. Don’t make no difference who the guy is, long’s he’s with you. I tell ya,” he cried, “I tell ya a guy gets too lonely an’ he gets sick.”” These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because although they both are open to conversing with one another, Crooks comes from a place of desperation. Lennie does it to be friendly, as said by Slim and George, he “ain’t a bit mean”. Also, I think, because Crooks is constantly treated badly and has become well associated with isolation, his character is bitter. This causes him to try to make Lennie, who has had someone by his side for most of his life, feel some sort of fear/worry from the idea of being alone (losing George), just like Crooks. He may think that a person like Lennie could never understand what it means to be alone in the cruel, tough world they live in.
ReplyDeleteI Agree With Crooks Saying When People Go Nuts When They Are Alone. I Also Agree With Crooks Saying About Lennie Being Alone Without George. George Is Lennie's Friend Who Helps Lennie When George Does Not Want To Help Lennie.
DeleteI couldn't agree more, Crooks comes off as a mean person. As he immediately wanted Lennie to leave, makes Lennie upset, and shuts down their American dream. I still think that their is more to Crooks though, if you look at his intentions he's just trying to be realistic. As you mentioned in your comment, "Crooks is constantly treated badly and has become well associated with isolation." His past influences him, he might seem bitter, but even in chapter 2, he's referenced as a "nice fella."
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives is in chapter 4 when Crooks and Lennie are talking in Crooks room. Crooks perspective is shown on Page 69 when he says “Jus’ nuts. I don’t blame the guy you travel with for keepin you outta sight.” he says this in reply to lennie telling him about George and Lennie’s plans about the farm because he believes that all of the migrant workers that come there all have the same plans but end up blowing all their money before they can act on it.
ReplyDeleteLennie's perspective is shown on page 70 when he says “but it aint no lie. Ever’ words the truth. And you can ast’ George.” he clearly believes in George and thinks that they will achieve their goal. While Crooks doesn’t.
These two characters are seeing things differently in the story because while Lennie has been told about the farm for his whole journey. Crooks has seen many men come and go and has never seen anyone get to where they plan to go. He also seems to have a bad attitude towards other people because of how his life has gone so far.
I agree with you about Lennie's perspective. He has complete faith in George and think that things will actually work out for them in the long run. I also agree with you on how Crooks feels about George and Lennies plans. It is kind of extravagant but they have high hopes and would like to get there. Crooks may or may not know what they have truly been through or how hard it was for them to get to where they are now.
Deletewhy was Crooks and Lennie are talking in Crooks room.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3 when Lennie and Curley are in the bunkhouse with the other men and Curley thinks that Lennie is laughing at Curley because the other men are poking fun at him. So Curley tries to beat Lennie up, but Lennie breaks his hand in the procese.
ReplyDeleteLennie’s perspective is he is being beaten up for no reason, he was laughing at the thought of having rabbits. This is shown on pg. 62 when Candy is poking fun at Curley, “Candy joined the attack with joy. ‘Glove fulla vaseline,’ he said disgustedly. Curley glared at him. His eyes slipped on past and lighted on Lennie; and Lennie was still smiling with delight at the memory of the ranch..”
Curley’s perspective is that Lennie is laughing at him for what everyone else in the bunk house is saying about him. This is shown on pg. 62 when Cruley says, “Curley stepped over to Lennie like a terrier. ‘What the hell you laughin’ at?’ Lennie looked blankly at him. ‘Huh?’ Then Curley’s rage exploded. ‘Come on, ya big bastard. Get up on your feet. No big son-of-a-bitch is gonna laugh at me. I’ll show ya who’s yella.”
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because all of the men are making fun of Curley for a multitude or reason. While Lennis is still thinking about the rabbits that he will be tending and smiling and laughing at the thought of it. Curley thinking that Lennie is laughing at him starts to beat him up because he likes to prove himself to everyone, while Lennie has no idea why he’s hurting him.
Aidan, I completely agree. I too chose this as my 2 different character perspectives. I also think that Lennie laughing and Curley being soo offended by it was because Lennie is a big guy and Curley has a thing for big guys. As it says on page 26, "Well... tell you what. Curley's like a lot of little guys. He hates big guys." I think Lennie is so cute. He's so innocent but he can do so much. #Bigbuffman
DeleteI agree with you on the fact that Curley wants to prove himself to everyone. I think that because he is the boss’s son he feels he has to live up to a certain standard and make himself look tough. He wants to live up to his father’s title so he feels the need to pick fights in order to show how strong he is. I think the way the whole scene went down, (by Lennie laughing at just the right moment) he felt was the perfect way to pick a fight, act tough, and prove he can do things too.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 4 when Lennie and Crooks are having a conversation with each other while the others are in town. Crooks perspective is on how if George never came back from town and left lennie all alone. An example of this can be found on page 35 of the PDF when Crooks says “I said s’pose George went into town tonight and you never heard of him no more.” Crooks pressed forward some kind of private victory. “Just s’pose that,”. Lennie’s perspective is that George will come back. An example of this can be found on page on page 35 of the PDF when Lennie says “He won’t do it,” Lennie cried. “George wouldn’t do nothing like that. I been with George a long a time. He’ll come back tonight—” But the doubt was too much for him. “Don’t you think he will?”. These two characters are seeing thing differently in this part of the story because Crooks is seeing things as if George never came back that the only lennie would be worried about if George was coming back but everyone else would not think about it for more than a second and Lennie know George won’t leave lennie there alone and that he’ll come back but then second guesses himself and becomes worried.
ReplyDeleteI agree because Lennie pretty much lives off George and George takes care of Lennie and shows care for him. In the earlier chapters George puts up with Lennies forgetfulness, Misunderstanding-ly getting accused of rape and not being able to get a job because of him yet Lennie still has George by his side.
DeleteI like which perspective difference you chose. Even I didn't think of it. I also agree with you. It's not as much as they have different perspectives on a specific thing happening but Crooks perspective is different and it's the same difference. It counts. Not to mention Lennie then second guessing it. This scene is so important people just don't know it yet ;)
Deletei see your point but i believe that in that scene Lennie believed that what Crooks was saying is true and was in denial that George wouldn't do that and was afraid of the thought of George leaving him
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspective can be found in chapter 3 when Carlson and Candy are talking about killing candy’s dog. Carlson’s perspective is that he says he’s doing bad keeping it alive because on pg. 44, when Carlson says “Well, I can’t stand him in here. That stinks hangs around even after he’s gone. Got no teeth. He’s all stiff with rheumatism. He ain’t no good for you. Why’n’t you shoot him, Candy?”
ReplyDeleteThen Candy’s perspective is that he doesn’t want to shoot the dog because he’s had him so long as shown on page 44. “Well-hell! I had him so long. Had him since he was a pup. I herded sheep with him.” He said proudly.
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point because Carlson is just trying to see things for the better of himself but Candy’s seeing the dog like an old friend that he doesn’t want to get rid of but Candy thinks it might be for the best and considers getting one of slims new pups.
I disagree with your portrayal of Carlson's perspective. In my opinion, Carlson didn't want to kill the dog because he wanted to do what's best for it, but because of how much of a burden the dog is on the workers. Carlson has repeatedly said how bad the dog smelled and the other workers agree as well.
DeleteI agree with you Micah. Carlson didn't seem to care too much when Candy was talking about how much he cared about his dog. He pushed him to say yes to letting him shoot him and only ever talked about killing it because of how it stunk and couldn't walk. Implying that he was basically useless.
DeleteI disagree with you Mason because Carlson didn't really want to kill the dog he just wanted the stinky dog to get out because he stunk way to much and the dog couldn't do nothing anyways because the dog couldn't even walk. So they really were just having the dog that couldn't do nothing.
DeleteI disagree with you Mac because Carlson was the one that was trying to get Candy to kill his dog and Candy kept saying no so he said he would do it.
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ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3 when Lennie and Curley were done fighting. Lennie and George were talking after Lennie fought Curley
ReplyDeleteLennie’s perspective is he think he did something wrong when the fight was over and Lennie think he did something wrong. This is shown on pg.64 when Lennie says, “I didn’t want to hurt him”
George’s perspective is Lennie didn’t do anything wrong. This is shown on pg. 64 when Slim says, “ It ain’t your fault”
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because _one person thinks they did something wrong when the other person thinks they didn’t do nothing wrong.
I have to disagree with you because I feel deep down Lennie feels good about beating Curley up, think about Curley was always picking on Lennie, Lennie just wanted that revenge. Will Curley every try to fight Lennie again?
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3 when Lennie and Curley are fighting.
ReplyDeleteLennie’s perspective is that he didn’t know what Curley was talking about, he was thinking about the rabbits and the ranch. This is shown on pg. 62 when the author writes “Lennie was still smiling with delight at the memory of the ranch.”
Curley’s perspective is that Lennie was laughing at what the others were saying about him, he didn’t know what Lennie was actually thinking. This is shown on pg. 62 when Curley says, “Come on, ya big bastard. Get up on your feet. No big son-of-a-bitch is gonna laugh at me. I’ll show ya who’s yella.”
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point of the story because Curley was looking for his wife and trying to start a fight with the others, while Lennie was thinking about the ranch.
I do agree with you about Lennie's perspective. Lennie is a very innocent and somewhat clueless man and does not want to cause any trouble with really anyone, yet Curley feels the need to pick a fight. But do you think Curley is like this because he sees things from his dad? Or something else personal is going on say with his wife that he just doesn't know how else to express himself because he is mad?
DeleteI agree with you that Lennie and Curley had different perspectives. Lennie would never think of making fun of Curley as you can see on page 29 when George and Lennie are talking about Curley might wanting to fight him, Lennie says, “Lennie’s eyes were frightened. ‘I don’t want no trouble,’ he said plaintively. ‘Don’t let him sock me, George.” As you can clearly see, Lennie is scared at just the thought of fighting Curley and he would never challenge him.
DeleteI agree with you when you talk about Curley not knowing what Lennie was actually thinking. Lennie is an innocent person and might not understand how to act around certain people because of his disability. Also, I think Curley might be insecure about his hand with vaseline and maybe he knows that his wife flirts with other guys, so he always wants to know where she is; but when the other guys laugh and make fun of him it makes him want to fight so he looks tough. I wonder if Curley would actually be a nice guy if he didn't have to worry about so many things.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3 when Lennie and Curley are fighting. Lennie's perspective of it is that he did something completely wrong. You can see this on page 64 when Lennie says “Suddenly Lennie let go his hold. He crouched cowering against the wall, “You tol’ me to, George ,” he said Miserably.” Lennie sees this encounter as he did something wrong but George see’s it the complete opposite. This is shown on page 65 when George says “Sure. You ain't done nothing wrong.” These two characters are seeing the same thing in different perspectives because George knows that if Lennie beats Curley Curley will leave him alone. Although George see’s it that way Lennie sees it that he just beat someone up and he doesn't like to beat people up and he thinks him hurting Curley was wrong, George has said himself that he has beat up Lennie and he knows Lennie could give him a whooping but he never does.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you when you said that Lennie does not like to fight. The way I see it is that Lennie is this huge giant that is really sweet and caring and gentle, but when he was getting beat up George was telling him to defend him self and after he did he felt sorry for Curley. I was thinking could this scene make Lennie more aggressive?
DeleteI disagree with you that Lennie "Doesn't like to fight". He just does whatever the hell George tells him to and so when George tells Lennie to get him Lennie just does what he naturally does and breaks Curleys hand. On page 64 when Lennie says ""You tol' me to, George," he said miserably" makes it clear that Lennie was just doing what George told him to do. So making the conclusion that Lennie doesn't like to fight is a big step from what happened.
DeleteI disagree with you because as Grant said Lennie practically only does what George tell's him to do. For example when Curley's wife tries to start a conversation with Lennie he tries to avoid talking to her and when she questions why he responds with George telling him to talk to her because she is nothing but trouble.
DeleteI agree with you that Lennie doesn't want to fight because he caring and kind but his not so gentle with things that he touche. George tells Lennie to fight back and that's why he snapped Curly's wrist but it wasn't what he wanted to do. This makes Lennie look like his big and mean because he snapped his wrist but he really isn't. On page 63 Lennie was covering his face and not fighting back but George said “Get him, Lennie. Don’t let him do it.” George may have taken advantage of Lennie's size because he doesn't like Curly.
DeleteI disagree with you Grant, I think that Lennie doesn't like to fight. As you said he does anything that George tells him to which is shown on page 64 when it says ""You tol' me to, George," he said miserably". I think that this points out that Lennie didn't want to fight back but he does what George says and George said to fight back so he did it. I don't think he wanted to do it and wouldn't have if George wasn't there. I think the part that shows that Lennie doesn't like to fight is when it says on page 64 ““I didn’t wanta,” Lennie cried. “I didn’t wanta hurt him.”” This part shows that Lennie didn't want to fight and only did because George says too.
DeleteI agree on how you said "He doesn't like to beat people up and he thinks him hurting Curley was wrong" because I don't think Lennie liked one bit of it and how he regretted it after. I think Lennie was just trying to save himself and wasn't thinking of the damaged it caused.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3 when Carlson and Candy are talking about killing Candy’s old dog. Candy’s perspective is that the compassion for his dog because he has had his dog for so long and that's his best friend. That's why Candy can't let him go and doesn't want to shoot the dog or Carlson to shoot the dog either. This is shown on pg. 45 when Candy says, “No, I couldn’ do that. I had ‘im too long.” Carlson’s and ll the other guys on the ranch perspective is that they see the dog as just an old dog but they don't realize on how much that dog means to Candy. This is shown on pg. 45 when Carlson says, “And he stinks to beat hell. Tell you what. I'll shoot him for you. Then it won't be you that does it.” And Candy says no and keeps saying no but Carlson won’t let it go. These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Candy loves his dog like anyone else would and it sucks to lose your dog and that his best friend but Carlson only sees it like a dog that a person owns and he doesn't want it to stink anymore.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you when you said that Candy is against Carlson shooting his dog due to the fact that they have been together their whole life. However I don't see how Carlson only see's that Candy's dog stinks, I can see maybe that he maybe he doesn't see the effect that dog has played in Candy's life because he didn't have a dog to grow up with. Personally I think Carlson hates the dog's stench so that is why he offered to kill the dog away from Candy and even asked Slim If Candy could have one of his puppies so he didn't feel as lonely.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 3 when Carlson is trying to get Candy to see that his old dog is suffering. The perspective of Carlson is that he doesn’t want the dog stinking up the place, but also doesn’t want it to hurt anymore. This is shown on page 44 when Carlson says “Well, I can’t stand him in here. That stink hangs around even after he’s gone. Got no teeth, he’s all stiff with rheumatism. He ain’t no good to you, Candy. An’ he ain’t no good to himself. Why’n’t you shoot him, Candy?” Candy’s perspective is that he’s had his dog for so long and doesn’t want it to be put down. This is shown on page 45 when the author writes “Candy looked helplessly at him, for Slim’s opinions were law. “Maybe it’d hurt him,” he suggested. “ I don’t mind takin’ care of him.” Carlson and Candy are seeing things differently in this story because Candy loves his dog and wants it to be happy. Carlson, on the other hand sees that the dog is at the end of its life, and is suffering. They both want what is best for the dog, but Carlson doesn’t have that deep connection that Candy does.
ReplyDeleteI think you made a good point when saying that Candy and Carlson have different perspectives on this dog. Candy see's him as his friend and does not want to get rid of him because he's had him since he was a puppy. Carlson think that the dog is just hurting and he smells so he thinks that it would just be better for everyone is the dog was just shot.
DeleteI agree with this because the book even tells us that the dog is like an old friend to Candy and he's had him since he was a pup so he doesn't wanna shoot him. I also agree because Carlson want to put him out of his misery and so it doesn't stink but Candy can't do it.
DeleteDifferent perspectives of two characters can be found in a scene of chapter four when Lennie and Crooks first meet each other. Lennie’s perspective is that he, George, and Candy are going to get the future that they have been dreaming of and that he is going to get rabbits to take care of. This is shown on page 69 when Lennie is telling Crooks about his plan with the other two men and he says, “The rabbits we’re gonna get, and I get to tend ‘em, cut grass an’ give ‘em water, an’ like that.” On the other hand, Crooks perspective was more negative because he just overall thought that Lennie was crazy and he thinks of their goal as a fantasy that will never come true since he claims he has heard similar ones multiple times. This is shown on page 37 of the PDF when Crooks is telling Lennie and Candy his opinion about their plans for the future. Crook says, “You guys is just kiddin’ yourself. You’ll talk about it a hell of a lot, but you won’t get no land. You’ll be a swamper here till they take you out in a box. Hell, I seen too many guys. Lennie here’ll quit an’ be on the road in two, three weeks. Seems like ever’ guy got land in his head.” This character foil helps identify both of the different perspectives because readers are able to see Lennie’s positiveness and Crooks hopelessness.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I can see why you would think that Crooks is being negative I disagree with you. Crooks lives in the barn alone and isn’t allowed to socialize with other men a lot. He is a lonely man and when you're alone for such a long time it's hard to imagine that there could be something better than what you have at the time. Crooks says on page 76, “He hesitated. “ . . . . If you . . . . guys would want a hand to work for nothing—just his keep, why I’d come an’ lend a hand. I ain’t so crippled I can’t work like a son-of-abitch if I want to.” As you can see his perspective is changed once they tell them the plan and how they already have the majority of the money.
DeleteA scene that includes different perspectives can be found in chapter 3 when Candy and Carlson are debating on what to do with Candy’s dog. Candy’s perspective is that he doesn’t want his dog to die because he had it since it was a puppy. This is shown on page 44 when Candy said “ I had him so long. Had him since he was a pup. I herded sheep with him.” I think this really explains the perspective because he doesn’t want to get rid of his dog that he loves and cares for and had it for so long. Carlson’s perspective is that the dog stinks and that its has no teeth and is just suffering. This is shown on page 44 when Carlson is saying “Got no teeth,” he said. “ He’s all stiff with rheumatism. He ain’t no good for you, Candy”. It also says on age 44 when Carlson smells the dog he says “ I don't know nothing that stinks as bad as an old dog. You gotta get him out.” this shows that Carlson wants to put the dog out of its misery and because it smells so bad. These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Candy wants to keep his dog and Carlson wants to put it out of in misery.
ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 4 when Lennie and Crooks are in Crook’s bunk.Lennie’s perspective is very optimistic about the future regarding the farm. This is shown on pg. 74 when Lennie says, “George says we’re gonna have alfalfa for the rabbits.”.Curly’s perspective is very pessimistic and doubtful of Lennie’s and George’s dream. This is shown on pg. 36 of the PDF when Crooks says, “ You’re nuts.” to Lennie whenever he talks about the dream ranch. These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because while Lennie may be completely oblivious of some things, (whether it being feelings, or actual words), he is excited about the farm and doesn’t think about it failing, but on the other hand, Crooks immediately shuts lennie down, and says how he’s seen hundreds of guys before him.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you about how Lennie’s perspective is so uplifting and positive while Crooks is so mean and hateful. Although on the outside it shows that Crooks is super mean and hateful that is because of how people treat him and how many people he sees fail at the task if really gives the reader another prospective about how life is turning out for other people and it also shows the feeling of others.
DeleteI agree with you on there two different perspectives. crooks thinks they will end up like every one else who wants there own piece of land. But Lennie says he knows that they are going to get there own piece of land.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 3 when Lennie and Curley are fighting. Lennie’s perspective is that he doesn't want to hurt Curley. This is shown on pg. 32 of the PDF when Lennie says, “ I didn’t wanta hurt him” or when he says “You tol’ me to, George,” George’s perspective is he wants Lennie to show Curley that he Isn't as tough as he thinks he is. This is shown on pg. 31 of the PDF when George says, “Get him, Lennie. Don’t let him do it..” These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because all Lennie wants to do is listen to George but Lennie is confused because George is telling Lennie 2 different things. For example on page 15 of the PDF George says, “ You try to keep away from him, will you? Don’t never speak to him. If he comes in here you move clear to the other side of the room. Will you do that, Lennie?” so when Curley and Lennie are fighting Lennie is lost because now george is telling him to fight.
ReplyDeleteI agree in the fact Lennie doesn't wanna fight but George does tell Lennie to fight back if he tells him. But Lennie does have that perspective and George did tell him to do that but also "let him have it"
DeleteI would have to disagree with you when you say that George’s perspective is that he wants Lennie to show Curley that he’s not a strong as he thinks he is. I wouldn’t say that he wants to show him that but I think George just wants Lennie to stand up for himself or George wants someone to stand up to Curley. On page 26 when the swamer says “...He done quite a bit in the ring…” It shows that Curley is indeed strong but he tests boundaries with the wrong guys because he has a big ego in a little body. So I would say that George just wants someone to stand up to him.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3 when Lennie and Curley get into a fight. On page 31 and 32, Curley gets upset, takes his anger out on Lennie and starts a fight with him. Curley’s perspective is that Lennie is joining in on laughing at him with the other workers almost making fun of him, so he was mad. On page 31 he then says “What the hell you laughin’ at?”It continues on like that until Curley started getting in his face wanting to fight him. Lennie’s perspective is that Curley had just gotten in his face for something he didn’t do.This is shown on page 31 where Lennie’s reaction to Curley getting in his face is, “Lennie looked blankly at him. “Huh?”” He knows he was laughing and smiling at their plan to buy a house and start a rabbit farm, but to Curley he thought he was getting made fun of. Lennie was confused because he hadn’t meant to start anything with Curley, and he didn’t know why this was happening. These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because of Curley’s already present anger towards Lennie, and his short temper, he went and started something before knowing what had really happened. That lead to a misunderstanding.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with what you say about Lennie's perspective that he it is just curly getting in his face what I think is that Lennie's perspective is he is laughing about the bunnies.on page 29 of the book Lennie says”Don't let his sock me Gorge”. He did not know what was going on and at one point where he is having fun thinking about the farm and the next he is getting threatened and that shocked him a bit and he just did not want to fight. From a reader's perspective that shows how much of a polar opposite they really are.
DeleteAyden I agree with the fact that Lennie was shocked when Curley started threatening him. Lennie was "Still smiling with delight at the memory of the ranch," the book tells us on page 62. He was almost in his own world, and he hadn't expected to get confronted by Curley, since he hadn't done anything but think about their future plans.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found In chapter 4 when Curley's wife and Candy argue that Curley's wife shouldn’t be fooling around with other guys and causing trouble. Candy’s perspective is that he don’t want no trouble and he thinks Curley’s wife going around flirting with the guys will bring trouble. This is shown on page 38 of the PDF when Candy says “You gotta husban’. You got no call foolin’ aroun’ with other guys, causin’ trouble”. Curley’s wife’s perspective is that she just wants attention and she feels lonely. This is shown on page 38 of the PDF when Curley’s wife says “ Well I ain't giving you no trouble. Think I don’t like to talk to somebody ever’ once in a while? Think I like to stick in that house alla time?”. These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because they have differing opinions about Curley’s wife’s actions.
ReplyDeleteI agree with with the part about Curly's wife because while most people will see her as a flirt, you point out that she may just want someone to talk to. At first I didn't really think about that.
DeleteI agree with you about Curly's wife's perspective. I never really though about it but maybe she is just lonely and looking for someone to talk to.
DeleteI disagree and also agree with this because if you really think about it Curley is almost always not with her so she may be bored and wants attention/someone to talk to maybe both physical attention and someone to talk to.
DeleteI agree with your thoughts on Candy's perspective because Candy never wants any trouble or fight going on, and especially with Curly’s wife because she is always flirting with other men so that's just causing trouble so in that case Candy doesn't like that.
DeleteI agree with your thoughts on both perspectives because all of the men have said that all Curley’s wife does is flirt with the men that work there and at a point, they even call her a “tart”. I think that your interpretation of both perspectives is very interesting because you addressed why she acts the way she does and like you said, I think that that reason may be that she simply wants attention since at one point in the story it is mentioned that Curley is almost never home. This causes me to think that she probably flirts so that she can at least seek some attention and that maybe sometimes she does not even catch herself flirting because of how often she does it.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 4 when Crooks and Lennie are in the stable discussing about George not coming back. Crooks perspective is that George might not come back because he would leave Lennie or he would get injured. This is shown on page 35 of the PDF when Crooks says “Nobody can’t tell what a guy’ll do,” he observed calmly. “Le’s say he wants to come back and can’t. S’pose he gets killed or hurt so he can’t come back.” Lennie’s perspective is that George is going to come back and he won’t get hurt, he’d never do that to him. This is shown on page 35 of the PDF when Lennie says “George is careful. He won’t get hurt. He ain’t never been hurt, ‘cause he’s careful.” These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Crooks has seen people come and go for him. For example when he talks about his brothers on page 36 of the PDF he says “ Had two brothers. They was always near me, always there. Used to sleep right in the same room”. He’s telling Lennie how he also had someone like George but now he doesn’t, he’s trying to prove his point that not everyone comes back and Lennie could end up alone. On the other hand Lennie knows George will come back because he’s been with him too long and knows that George would never do that. George is careful and cares for Lennie so he will be coming back.
ReplyDeleteI really like the example you used in your comment, I would add on to say that Crooks is giving Lennie sort of advice. For example, on page 31 of the PDF of says, "Lennie looked helplessly at George, and he got up and tried to retreat." Instead of standing up for himself when Curley picked on him, he looked to George for help. Lennie relies on George for everything, which is why Crooks wanted Lennie to picture a life without George. It seems as though he wants the best for Lennie, to be ready just in case. As you pointed out, "he also had someone like George, but now he doesn't."
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when Lennie and old man crooks were talking. Old man crooks started to talk about himself being lonely referencing George leaving Lennie. Lennie took it the wrong way and thought crooks was “S’posin’ hurt to george” when really he was kinda just asking Lennie if he knew how it felt to be alone. chapter 4 on page 71 (or on PDF page 35) “S’pose George don’t come back no more. S’pose he took a powder and just ain’t coming back. What’ll you do then?”. Lennie was so angry he was very close to Crooks popping his personal space bubble. Lennie said to Crooks “What you supposin’ for? Ain’t nobody goin’ to suppose no hurt to George”. That is from PDF Page 36 (or on book page 72). Lennie having to rely on having george most of his life, I think he was scared to think about what life would be like without george being there for him all the time.
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DeleteI disagree with George being afraid to be alone, although that might be true. Lennie never asked him to be there for him, his aunt Clara died and she had been taking care of him for most of his life. What Crooks said shocked him probably because he never thought of that, he trusts George. He was defensive about him leaving because he knew it wouldn't happen.
I disagree on the fact that Lennie is too scared to live without George. I think that Lennie doesn’t think he can live on his own. He only remembers what it's like having George there. When Crooks brought up George not being there for Lennie I think it caught him off guard. He has a habit in his mind to turn to George when needed so he had never contemplated living without him. I think simply he never faced the reality of not having him there, that the idea of surviving without George seemed near to impossible to him.
DeleteI disagree on Lennie being scared of living without George because he was talking about leaving George if he wanted him to but George doesn’t want him to be alone. I think Lennie has always had someone with him and people see him depend on others.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 3 when Curley was looking for his wife. Curley thinks that Lennie is laughing at him this is shown on page 62 when the book says “Then Curley exploded. ‘Come on big guy get up on your feet. No big-son-of-a-bitch is gonna laugh at me. I’ll show you who’s yella’.”. But Lennie wasn’t laughing at Curley he was smiling about the bunnies and the puppies he was thinking of. Lennie doesn’t know what is going on in the real world this is shown on page 62 when the books says “Curley stepped over to Lennie like a terrier. “What the hell you laughin’ at?’ Lennie looked blankly at him “huh?’.”. These to characters are seeing different perspectives because Curley thinks that Lennie is laughing at him but Lennie is just thinking about the bunnies and the puppies
ReplyDeleteI agree as this shows a lot of character perspectives, Lennie is pretty much clueless on what is happening and just imaging what will happen in the future. Or what he thinks will happen in the future. But Curley is just still talking about other things.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3 when Curley and Lennie are fighting. Curley's perspective is when he thinks that Lennie is laughing at him. This is shown on pg. 62 when Curley says, “What the hell you laughin’ at? Lennie’s perspective is was just laughing about them owning a ranch someday. This is shown on pg. 62 when the author says, “Lennie was still smiling with delight at the memory of the ranch.”
ReplyDeleteThese two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Curley was already really mad and wanting to fight someone so when he saw that Lennie was laughing he thought that he was laughing at him so he started to punch him but what Curley did not know is he was just laughing because he was going to be able to leave someday and have a ranch.
I agree that Curley's perspective is when he thinks that Lennie is laughing at him.
DeleteI agree with you because from Curley perspective Lennie was laughing at him but Lennie wasn't.
DeleteA scene that includes two character perspectives is in chapter 4, when Lennie is talking to Crooks about the farm he, George and Candy are going to buy and Crooks is doubtful about Lennie’s dream. Lennie’s perspective is that he will get his dream. This can be found on page 69 where he defends his and George’s dream, stating to Crooks “It ain’t no lie. We’re gonna do it. Gonna get a little place an‘ live on the fatta the lan’.” Where as Crooks’ perspective is that Lennie’s dream is never going to happen. This can be found on page 36 in the the PDF when Crooks says, “I seen hunderds of men come by on the road an’ on the ranches... that same damn thing in their heads... every damn one of ‘em’s got a little piece of land in his head. An’ never a God damn one of ‘em ever gets it.”
ReplyDeleteThese two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Crooks is trying to bring Lennie back into the reality that the world is another’s property. Where as Lennie is content to dream about his farm completely oblivious to the real world.
I like your reasoning on why they are seeing things differently. I agree with you that Lennie might be just a little oblivious to whats going on in the real world, and Crooks is maybe trying to bring him back in.
DeleteI like how you explained that Crooks is trying to bring him back to reality. But I have to disagree that Lennie is oblivious to the real world. He seems to know what's right and wrong in some sense. Like when he breaks Curley's hand, he knew that he hurt him and he was upset with himself for it. A very real world reaction to hurting a person by accident, only it was more of the reaction a child would have to hurting someone. I don't think he is in a constant dream land, I think he just see's it the same way a child does.
DeleteYou make a good point about how they are seeing things different. How Crooks doesn't think that they will get their land but Lennie believes that they will. But I would have to disagree about Lennie not being in reality and being oblivious to the real world. He does understand what is happening he just doesn't understand at the level as the rest of the guys. He understands things more at a child level. He also has the reason to believe they are getting land and rabbits because of when George and Candy were talking about getting the money.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3 when George and Curley are talking before the fight.
ReplyDeleteGeorge’s perspective is that he got mad at Curley for punching Lennie but he encourage Lennie to fight back because he won’t protect Lennie forever. This is shown on pg.63 when George says, “Get him Lennie.Don’t let him do it”.
Curley’s perspective is he doesn’t like big guys and like starting a fight. This is shown on pg.62 when Lennie was smiling only because he had a memory of the ranch and Curley thought he was smiling at him and throw a punch at Lennie.
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Curley hates Lennie because he a big guy and even try to start a fight with him but George is trying to protect Lennie from him.Also Curley is looking out for himself while George is looking out for Lennie.
A scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when George and Lennie are are talking about the farm that they will have.
ReplyDeleteGeorge’s perspective is he is anode about telling the storey . This is shown on pg.57 when C says, “ Lennie said, “Tell about that place, George.” “I jus’ tol’ you, jus’ las’ night.”
Lennie’s perspective is he forget that he told this store . This is shown on pg. 58 when Lennie says, ““Go on—tell again, George.”
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Lennie is a little slow and George forget that .
I agree with you but I think Lennie keeps wanting George to tell the story not because he forgot it but because he just wants to make sure that its the truth and not just a story and that's why he always wants it told to him.
DeleteI understand what you mean when you say Lennie's a bit slower, but i disagree on the perspective part, i think Lennie continues to ask George to tell the story again because he gets a nice boost of happiness, and also because he thinks of the bunnies and animals, and in Georges perspective i think he sees it as the dream for him and Lennie to be happy.
DeleteIn the scene where Lennie walks in to Crooks room there are a lot of perspectives. The first one is when Lenni walks in and just comes in like nothing thinking it's just some other room. Crooks gets mad somebody walks to his room. Then Lennie tells Crooks his idea on what's happening and how he's going to tend the rabbits. Crooks perspective is that he's just silly and it will never happen. While Lennie thinks it will happen since George promised it to him and always told him stories about it. Crooks says he's nuts and that he's seen so many people try on page 74. “You’re nuts.” Crooks was scornful. “I seen hundreds of men come by on the road an’ on the ranches, with their bindles on their back an’ that same damn thing in their heads . Hundreds of them. They come. An’ they quit an’ go on; an’ every damn one of em’s got a little piece of land in his head. An’ never a God damn on of ‘em ever gets it. Just like heaven. Ever’body wants a little piece of lan’.” This long speech he gave just shows how confident he is on them failing.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with your statement that crooks thinks it is a silly idea, crooks said he has seen alot of people come saying there gonna get there own piece of land but it never comes true. Crooks thinks it is never gonna happen
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter ¾ page 62-64 when Lennie and Curley are fighting. Lennie’s perspective is that he is still thinking about tending rabbits on the farm that George and Lennie are always talking about. This is shown on pg. 59-60 when Lennie and George is telling Candy about the farm that they are gonna get. Curley’s perspective is that he thinks that Lennie is laughing at him because Carlson basically said that Curley doesn't know how to tell his wife to stay home were she belongs and so that causes Curley to get mad at Lennie so Curley starts to punch Lennie. This is shown on pg. 62-64 when Curley and Lennie get in a fight and Lennie breaks Curley’s hand. These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Curley thinks that Lennie is laughing at him in reality Lennie was still thinking about tending rabbits at the farm that George and Lennie will have.
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ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different characters perspective can be found in chapter 3 when Curley and lennie got into the fight. Curly perspective was shown on page 53 when Curley accuse Slim for being with is wife but later apologized on page 62, but Carlson was not happy with Curley and was ‘Telling him off’. Then Curley heard Lennie laughing and got mad at him. Lennie’s perspective is shown on page 63 when Lennie was laughing at the thought of the ranch . These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Curley thought Lennie was laughing at him.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you because you have added in that Curley was suspicious that Lennie was laughing at him but Lennie was only thinking about the ranch in his dream.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3 when Curley and Lennie fight.
ReplyDeleteCurley’s perspective is Lennie laughing at him . This is shown on pg. 62 when the author says, “ His eyes slipped on past and lighted on Lennie; and Lennie was still smiling with delight at the memory of the ranch. Curley stepped over to Lennie like a terrier. “What the hell you laughin’ at?” Lennie looked blankly at him. “Huh?” Then Curley’s rage exploded. “Come on, ya big bastard. Get up on your feet. No big son-of-a-bitch is gonna laugh at me. I’ll show ya who’s yella.”
Lennie’s perspective is Curley attacking him for no reason. This is shown on pg. 63 when the author says, “ Lennie looked helplessly at George, and then he got up and tried to retreat. Curley was balanced and poised. He slashed at Lennie with his left, and then smashed down his nose with a right. Lennie gave a cry of terror. Blood welled from his nose. “George,” he cried. “Make ‘um let me alone, George.”
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Curley assumed that Lennie was smiling and laughing at him while Lennie was just thinking about the ranch.
I agree with you because that was a really bad time for Lennie to start laughing because it made Curley think Lennie was laughing at him. This is a really good example of different perspectives because Curley does not know the real reason Lennie was laughing. I also like how you included that Lennie was thinking about the ranch and not laughing at Curley. I also think a good example of the different perspectives is on pg. 63 when the author says, “Lennie’s hands remained at his sides; he was too frightened to defend himself.” I think this is good textual evidence because it shows how truly terrified Lennie is of fighting Curley.
DeleteA scene that gives us an excellent example of different perspectives is when Lennie is telling Crooks about the rabbits and the farm from pages 73 to 76 . Lennis insists that it’s gonna happen, were Crooks repeatedly tells him that he’s seen hundreds of guys with the same dream, they never come true. “Where’s George now? In town in a whore house. That’s where your money’s goin’...” Crooks states on page 76. His perspective is that it’s a stupid dream and it’ll never happen, Lennie is extremely hopeful and promises it’ll happen. They both have very different ways of viewing the situation because Crook has had guys say the same thing Lennie is saying but it never happens. Lennie, on the other hand, is hopeful because he was promised it will happen by George.
ReplyDeleteYou make a very good point when you say that Crooks perspective on the situation is that it’s just a stupid dream that will never come true. I wouldn't say he’s trying to crush Lennie’s dreams but I would say that in a way Crooks is only trying to help Lennie get a different perspective on the dream and not give his hopes up.
DeleteI agree with Andrea about Lennie's perspective because He thinks whatever George promises or says is gonna happen he will believe anything but with old man Candy and the money he's saved up they might have the opportunity to actually pursue their dream.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3 when Candy and Carlson are debating about what to do with Candy's dog. Candy's perspective is that he doesn't want to put down his dog. This is shown on page 44 in the text or page 23 in the PDF when Candy says “ “Well—hell! I had him so long. Had him since he was a pup. I herded sheep with him.” He said proudly, “You wouldn’t think it to look at him now, but he was the best damn sheep dog I ever seen.” He has had his dog for so long he couldn't even comprehend what he would do without him and I recognize this because he is telling stories about him and his dog showing the emotions he has for his dog. This shows that Candy is a very empathetic person and cares about lots of things emotionally. Carlson perspective is that he is do old and smelly that he wants to put him out of his misery and shot him. This is shown on page 44 of the text and page 23 of the PDF when Carlson says “ “God awmighty, that dog stinks. Get him outa here, Candy! I don’t know nothing that stinks as bad as an old dog.” Carlson also says of page 44 of the text and page 23 of the PDF when Carlson says “He ain’t no good to you, Candy. An’ he ain’t no good to himself. Why’n’t you shoot him, Candy?” This helps me understand that he is really old smelly and their and the only person that really cares about the dog and Carlson is the only person to say something to him about him. This shows that Carlson is a very arrogant person and likes to over exaggerate a lot about things. These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Candy Loves his dog and doesn't want him to leave his side because he is basically his best friend and he is always there for him but Carlson doesn’t want anything to do with his dog and wants to get rid of him because he is smelly, old and doesn't care about him.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on how there perspectives are different but I think the dog really was stinking up the place and that it was suffering and Carlson was just wanting to put it out of its misery. I also think deep down that Candy didn't want his dog to suffer anymore.
DeleteCarlson was the one who kept on insisting to put down Candy's dog so I would see why you would say he doesn’t care about the dog but I would have to disagree and say that Carlson wanted to put down the dog because he cared. On page 23 of the PDF Carlson tells Candy “ He’s all stiff with rheumatism. He ain’t no good to you, Candy. An’ he ain’t no good to himself.” Carlson is giving reason to Candy for why he should shoot his dog and I think he keeps on insisting because he feels bad for the dog being in misery not being able to do much. I’m sure the dog has been smelling for a while now because he probably doesn’t get any baths so that means Carlson has been smelling the old dog for a while. That’s why I think he really does care about the dog and just doesn’t want to see it suffer.
DeleteA scene that gives two different perspectives is on page 24 of the PDF when Carlson kind of forces candy to let him shoot his dog and candy says "“Maybe tomorra. Le’s wait till tomorra.” but Carlson goes on and keeps insisting on them shooting it until Candy finally gives in. You can tell just by that sentence that he does not want to put his dog down and feels its wrong to put him down while Carlson says “I don’t see no reason for it,” he has no sympathy for it and would rather put the dog down just so it doesnt stink.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Marcus, Candy did seem like he really didn’t want to put his dog down especially when he goes silent after Curley takes the dog out to the barn. On page 49 when the author says “A shot sounded in the distance. The men looked quickly at the old man. Every head turned toward him. For a moment he continued to stare at the ceiling. Then he rolled slowly over and faced the wall and lay silent.”
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ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 3/4 when Lennie is talking to Crooks about his dream. Lennie's perspective is that they are going to live on a farm where they only have to work a couple hours a week less than what they are working on these ranches and that they are going to have a rabbit farm and Lennie gets to tend the rabbits, feed them and cut the grass. Meanwhile Crooks perspective is that he's seen hundreds of people come and go saying that they are going to live on a farm and have their own piece of land. This can be found on page 74 when Crooks says “Hundreds of them…. An’ every damn one of ‘em’s got a little piece of land in his head. An’ never a God damn one of ‘em never gets it”. This shows different perspectives by Crooks not believing Lennie and how George,Candy and Lennie are going to get the little piece of land and raise rabbits. When George,Lennie and Candy know that they can get the land because they already have a good amount of money saved up.
ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when on page 68-69 Candy,Crooks and Lennie are in Crooks room and Curley’s wife walks in on them talking. The guy’s ( Crooks,Candy and Lennie’s) perspective was just them talking without causing any trouble to anyone. However Curley’s wife was different her’s was finding a way out of her “loneliness” which caused the guy’s to get frustrated with her because she was reluctant to leave Crooks room even after both Crooks and Candy told her to leave but instead of just leaving she got all defensive and started arguing with them causing more trouble than there should’ve been. These couple of characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because, the guy’s not only know Curley’s wife is a so called “Tart” and only seems to flirt with all the guy’s in the ranch when Curley is gone. Curley’s wife only sees the guy’s on the ranch as toy’s in a way. For example when a kid has nothing to do it goes to look for their toys to play with them which is what Curley’s wife seems to be doing in a way.
ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when lennie and curley are arguing/ fighting.
ReplyDeletelennie’s perspective is that he was scared,he was smiling about the idea of the place they are gonna live at. This is shown on pg.62/63 when curley says, “ what the hell you laughin at?” lennie says “huh?”
Curley’s perspective is the lennie is a bigger guy and lennie is laughing at curley. This is shown on pg. 62/63 when says, “ come on, ya big bastard. Get up on your feet. No big son of a bitch is gonna laugh at me. i’ll show you who’s yella.”
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because curley thinks lennies laughing at curley but really he's just thinking about the land he's gonna live on.
A scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 4 when Crooks and Lennie are talking if George will come back or not.
ReplyDeleteCrooks’s perspective is that is always alone in the harness room and doesn’t know the difference of when he is dreaming about something and when he's loving it because there is no one to tell him if he was dreaming. This is shown on pg. 72 when Crook says, “Well s’pose, jus’ s’pose he don’t come back. What’ll you do then?”
Lennie’s perspective is that he is always used to being around George and doesn’t know the feeling of not having George. He also thinks Crooks is serious about George being hurt while in town. This is shown on pg. 72 when George says, “ Who hurt George?.” These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because they have had a different background growing up and around the farm.
I'd would question the line about how Lennie doesn't know whats it like to be with out George because he just wants to do whats best for him, like when he said he live off in the mountains if George wanted him to. He also lived with his aunt Clara plus even when he moved along with George he forgot her name so if he were to leave George for a while he would eventually forget his name.
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ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 3, when Slim and George are talking about Lennie.
This is shown on page 42 when George says, “Well, that girl rabbits in an’ tells the law she been raped.” Then Slim says, “Didn’t hurt the girl none, huh?” George answers; “Hell, no. He just scared her. I’d be scared too if he grabbed me. But he never hurt her, He jus’ wanted to touch that red dress.” Lennie did not want to hurt the girl, but he did scare her and she thought differently about the situation.
This shows that Lennie and the girl he grabbed were seeing things differently in the story because she thought he was trying to touch or rape her when really, because of his disability, he just wanted to feel her dress like he wants to feel the puppies and rabbits.
I completely agree with this... if only the girl knew his side of the story, everything would be different. Lennie didn't mean any harm, but looking at it from other people's eyes they would think he was.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when Lennie walks into Crooks room. Lennie’s perspective is he wanted to see his pup and he wanted to make friends. This is shown on pg. 68 when the author writes, “Lennie smiled helplessly in an attempt to make friends.” Crook’s perspective is he is treated differently because of his race so he wants to protect the thing that is his, his room. This is shown on pg. 68 and 70 when Crooks says, “You got no right to come in my room. This is my room. Nobody got any right in here but me.” He also said later, “Cause I’m black. They play cards in there, but they say I stink. Well, I tell you, all of you stink to me.” These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because, Lennie’s mind is like a kids so he doesn't know that Crooks is considered different. Crooks assumes at first that he knows but then realizes that he doesn't know and is nice.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Crooks thought of Lennie different because of his race and Crooks is treated different and feels that because he can't be in the bunk house that Lennie can't be in the barn. But did you think that maybe it's because of the way they where raised?
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when George tells Lennie to fight back. Afterwards Lennie’s perspective is that he did something wrong, this is shown on pg. 64 and 65 when Lennie says “I did not mean no trouble”
ReplyDeleteGeorge’s perspective is that Lennie did not do nothing wrong. This is shown at the bottom of pg. 65 when George says, “Sure. You ain’t done nothing wrong.”
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because George is proud of Lennie for sticking up for himself, but Lennie thinks he made a mistake.
A scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when Crooks and Lennie are talking. Crooks’s perspective is at first that many people say they are going to get there own piece of land but they never do. This is shown on pg. 74 when Crooks says, “ Hundreds of them. They come, an’ they quit an’ go on; an’ every damn one of ‘em’s got a little piece of land in his head. an’ never a God damn one of ‘em ever gets it.” Crooks is saying lennie and george are going to end up like the all the other hundreds of people who say they are going to get land but never want to. I would agree with Crooks because a lot of people just say they don't show.
ReplyDeleteLennie’s perspective is that himself and george are going to get land with all these animals. This is shown on pg. 73 when Lennie says, “ We’re gonna have rabbits an’ a berry patch..” lennie is positive that they are going to have there own place with all these animals. I just don't think Lennie understands how hard it will be to get to that point.
These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because Lennie awlays hears george telling him that they are going to have there own place with a bunch of animals. And then Crooks sees george and lennie are going to end up like the rest of the people who say they are going to get there own piece of land, and never get any.
I’d have to disagree with you about Crook’s reasoning behind thinking George, Lennie, and Candy won’t get the piece of land. On page 36 of the PDF Crooks says “I didn’t mean to scare you. He’ll come back. I was talkin’ about myself. A guy sets alone out here at night, maybe readin’ books or thinkin’ or stuff like that. Sometimes he gets thinkin’, an’ he got nothing to tell him what’s so an’ what ain’t so. Maybe if he sees somethin’, he don’t know whether it’s right or not. He can’t turn to some other guy and ast him if he sees it too. He can’t tell. He got nothing to measure by. I seen things out here. I wasn’t drunk. I don’t know if I was asleep. If some guy was with me, he could tell me I was asleep, an’ then it would be all right. But I jus’ don’t know.” I believe this piece of dialogue shows just how lonely Crooks truly is and how he’s jealous of the three other workers. Lennie tells Crooks over and over again about the rabbits, and Crooks sees how happy it makes Lennie. Crooks hopes he can be happy too, and asks if he could live with them as well. But because Crooks was always adamant on his privacy and wanting to be alone, he says he was just fooling. He doesn’t want to reveal how he feels about wanting someone to talk to.
DeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 3/4 when Curley and lennie get in a fight. Curley’s perspective is that he thinks lennie is laughing at him. This is shown on pg. 62 when Curley says, “Curley stepped over to lennie like a terrier. “What the hell you laughin’ at?”lennie’s perspective is on this confused about the situation. This is shown on pg. 62 when lennie says, “Lennie looked blankly at him. “Huh?”.
ReplyDeleteCurley thinks that lennie is laughing at him so curley attacks lennie. while Lennie is getting attack by Curley, George tells Lennie its ok to attack back so lennie breaks Curley’s hand.
A scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 4 when Lennie and Crooks are discussing about Lennie’s dream to have rabbits and he's going to tend them and live on the “fatta the lan’.” Lennie’s perspective is that he, George, and Candy will be living somewhere else soon and he will be taking care of the rabbits. This is shown on page 69 when he says “It ain’t no lie. We’re gonna do it. Gonna get a little place an’ live on the fatta the lan’.” That shows that Lennie is wanting or going to live some place that he really likes. Crooks’s perspective is that Lennie is lying and that Lennie would never be able to get that perfect life. This is shown on page 69 when Crooks says “You’re nuts, You’re crazy as a wedge.” This shows that Crooks doesn't believe Lennie. These two characters are seeing things different at this point in the story because Crooks said that he's seen guys try to get perfect lives but they never turn out as they planned, so Crooks thinks Lennie is lying.
ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 3-4 is when Curley’s wife and Crooks are arguing in Crooks room they when Crooks says “you got no rights comin’ in a colored man’s room“ but then Curley's wife responds and says “ listen nigger, you know what i can do to you if you open your trap well, you keep your place then,nigger I get you strung up on a tree so easy it ain’t even funny” .
ReplyDeleteCrook’s perspective in that scene is that he thinks he can tell and say anything to to Curley’s wife in that moment he feels as if he were to be bigger or more important that her because she was in his space. This is shown on (pg 80-81). Curley's wife perspective in this scene is that she has the right to say anything or whatever she wants to say to Crook’s because he is a negro and she feels that she can do anything to him but the most interesting part was when she said “you keep your place then, nigger i get you strung up on a tree so easy it ain’t even funny”. That was very interesting because she says that with no respect for his life as if he were worth nothing. These characters see things differently in this scene because they are both very different because one is black and the other is white Crook’s feels that he has power over Curley’s wife because she is in his room in a area that is his but Curley’s wife reminds him that she has more power then him in every way and she threatens his life after he talks to her in a way she does not like.
Two perspectives that are fascinating to look at was Curley’s wife and Crooks. In chapter four she threatens to have him hanged if he dares to say anything to the boss. She abuses her authority in the same way Curley does. When Crook talks about telling the boss to not let Curley’s wife to come to the barn, she threatens him with, “you know what I can do to you if you open your trap?” she continues with, “I could get you strung up on a tree so easy it ain’t funny.” Candy tries to defend Crooks, but is immediately shut down with, “tell an be damned” continuing with “nobody’d listen to you and you know it. Nobody’d listen to you. This clearly shows that her perspective is very unbothered, she knows she can get away with anything due to being “purty” and the boss’s daughter in law.
ReplyDeleteA perspective that differentiates vastly from Curley’s wife is Crooks. He’s alone like Curley’s wife, yet he doesn’t go barging into the barn or the others dorms. He stays by himself in his room. He’s always being mistreated, on page 20 it says,”the boss gives him hell when he’s mad.” Furthermore, on page 81 it says, “for a moment she stood over him as though waiting for him to move so that she could whip him again; but Crooks sat perfectly still, his eyes averted, everything that might be hurt drawn in.” Crooks even though he has a bad back, and works hard gets treated miserably only due to the color of his skin. On page 82 it says, ”you guys comin’ in an settin’ made me forget. What she says is true.” Crooks remembers that he is not seen as equal in their eyes. He goes back to his almost timid quiet self, and sends Candy and Lennie off. He has no power as opposed to Curley’s wife.
The minor character curleys wife has caught my attention because she flirts with everybody like a drunk.
ReplyDeleteAn example of this can be found on page 81 when curleys wife says "im glad you bust mt husband,he had it comin’,sometimes i like to bust him up myself" to lennie.
This makes curleys wife interesting because anyone can see dat girl gonna cause some problems
A scene that has different character perspectives can be found in chapters 3-4 on page 31 of the PDF. In the bunkhouse, the men are ganging up on Curley and calling him out. When Curley looks over at Lennie in his perspective he thinks Lennie is laughing at him and also making fun of him, Curley says “Come on, ya big bastard. Get up on your feet. No-son-of-a-bitch is gonna laugh at me. I'll show ya who's yella.” In Lennie's perspective, he is frightened and confused with what's going on because he was thinking about the rabbits George said he would tend to. Curley is beating Lennie up which ends with his hand being crushed by Lennie out of fear. These characters are having different perspectives because Curley thinks Lennie is Laughing at him so he gets angry and Lennie is smiling because he is dreaming of tending to the rabbits.
ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 3 when George and Slim were arguing about Lennie and hard hard he works.Slim’s perspective is maybe Lennie might not be the smartest or brightest person but he sure does know how to put in the work when it comes down to it.This is shown on page 38 when Slim says “Say,you sure was right about him.Maybe he ain’t bright,but I never seen such a worker.He damn near killed his partner buckin’ barley.There ain't nobody can keep up with him.God awmighty,I never seen such a strong guy.”George’s perspective is that when you give Lennie a order he may or may not be able to it depends on if it takes figuring out because we know he is not the smartest.This is shown on page 38 when George says “jus tell Lennie what to do an’ he’ll do it if it don’t take no figuring.He can’t think of nothing to do himself,but he sure can take orders.”These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because,as these two characters talk back and forth Slim is talking about how hard of a worker Lennie was but George is talking about if the task is too difficult for Lennie don’t count on it to get done.
ReplyDeleteI definitely agree with you on this but it may not be a different character perspective change because I don't think they were really arguing they were kinda just talking to each other about Lennie and getting to know each other more.
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ReplyDeleteA scene that has different character perspectives is between Lennie, Crooks and Curley's wife. Which can be found in chapter 4 page 77 when Lennie and Crooks think from their point of view that Curley's wife just wants drama to start because they think she's flirting with them and being really sweet . But from her point of view she just wants people to talk to. She doesn’t think she’s doing anything wrong, and doesn’t want any trouble but the guys just think she’s flirting with them and wanting to start confliction between everyone. A quote that shows Lennie and crooks thinking that she’s flirting and going to cause drama is on page 77 saying “Maybe you better go along to your own house. We don’t want no trouble”.
A scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in chapter 3 when Slim and George walked into the darkening bunk house together when they are both talking about how hard working Lennie is. Slims perspective is he is impressed somebody like him can work this hard. This is shown on pg. 39 when Slim says “ Say, you sure was right about him. Maybe he ain’t bright, but I never seen such a worker. He damn near killed his partner buckin’ barley. There ain’t nobody can keep up with him. God awmighty I never seen such a stronger guy.” Georges perspective is he can do the work you ask him to do. This is shown on pg. 39 when George says “jus’ tell Lennie what to do an’ he’ll do it if it don’t take no figuring. He can’t think of nothing to do himself, but he sure can take orders.” These two characters are seeing things differently at this point in the story because lim is saying George was right about him being a hard worker. And george was saying to Slim as long as the work isn’t to hard.
ReplyDeleteA scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter 4 when Lennie and Crooks are in Crook’s bunk. Lennie’s perspective is very optimistic about his future with him and George. This is shown on pg. 74 when Lennie says, “George says we’re gonna have alfalfa for the rabbits.”.Curly’s perspective is very pessimistic about Lennie’s and George’s dream. These two characters are seeing things different at this point in the story because while Lennie may be completely optimistic of some things, because he is excited about the farm they will have in the future, but on the other hand, Crooks is pretty pessimistic and says how he’s seen hundreds of guys like him that dreamt the same thing but didn't make it.
ReplyDeleteThe main character Lennie has caught my attention because he’s big but he is innocent and acts like a kid . An example of this can be found on page 22 and 23 when George is explaining to the boss what type of guy Lennie is, “Oh! I ain’t saying he’s bright. He aint. But I say he’s a god damn good worker. He can out up a 400 pound bale.” On page 23 the author says, “Lennie stared hopelessly at his hands, ‘I forgot, George.” This makes Lennie interesting because he’s strong and big but he acts like a kid.
ReplyDeleteThe minor character, Curley, has caught my attention because he’s a pretty boy, he’s the bosses son, and he always has vaseline on his hand with a glove over it. An example of this can be found on page 25 when the author says, “At that moment a young man came into the bunkhouse; a thin young man with a brown face, with brown eyes and a head of tightly curled hair. He wore a work glove on his left hand, and, just like the boss,he wore high heeled boots.” This makes Curley interesting because he’s the sons boss and he’s a pretty boy although they have to do hard work. Curley is typical to be the bosses son and have nice things and not look rough.
A scene that includes different character perspective can be found in chapter 4 when Lennie and Crook are having an argument about George.
ReplyDeleteCrook’s perspective is on how Lennie would live without George. This can be found on page 71 when Crook says, “S’pose George don’t come back no more. S’pose he took a powder and just ain’t coming back? What’ll you do then?”
Lennie’s perspective is that he doesn’t want to think of that because he depends on George for everything. An example of this can be found on page 71 when Lennie says, “George wouldn’t do that. George and I been traveling a long time. He’ll come back tonight.”
These 2 characters are seeing things differently because Crook is trying to get Lennie to think about a life without Lennie and how his perspective on things would be then.
A scene that includes different character perspectives can be found in Chapter ½ when lennie and George are sit by the campfire on the beach and talking what happened when lennie touched the litter girls dress.
ReplyDeleteLennie’s perspective is he was just trying to touch the soft thing on the dress. This is shown on pg. 8 when it says, “ Course you did. Well, look. Lennie—if you jus’ happen to get in trouble
like you always done before, I want you to come right here an’ hide in the
brush.”
“Hide in the brush,” said Lennie slowly.
“Hide in the brush till I come for you. Can you remember that?”
“Sure I can, George. Hide in the brush till you come.
George’s perspective is George thought it was bad because it’s is weird that a big person like lennie was touch the dress. This is shown on pg. 8 when it says, Course you did. Well, look. Lennie—if you jus’ happen to get in trouble like you always done before, I want you to come right here an’ hide in the brush.” “Hide in the brush,” said Lennie slowly. “Hide in the brush till I come for you. Can you remember that?” “Sure I can, George. Hide in the brush till you come.